The thing is that the "fashion" / "clothing" / "footware" industry - is run by dumb cunts.

I shall digress.

I have big feet.

Not hugely big, but not dainty pin pricks in the dirt either.

You see, the Australian RETAILERS - ARE dumb cunts.... because they typically stock SIZE 11 as the largest mens size in their retail chain stores - and to a lesser degree, the independent retailers.

This IDIOT practice is fairly common.

Where as foot sizes in 12, 13, 14 are actually FAIRLY common as well, but the supply of shoes are not.

There are heaps of guys who are well over 6' or 182cm high - and who's feet are proportionally large.

I only have off the cuff figures, but I'd estimate the average amount of the population (mostly men) who have sizes in the 12 - 14 ranges, to be about 12% of the male population (probably between 8 - 15%);

BUT there are SO very few "mens departments" in the idiot chain stores, that they can be effectively written off - and of the shoe stores, and independent retailers, I'd estimate that there are ONE pair of shoes 12 and above, for every 500 pairs of shoes, in the sizes of 11 and below.

Something like 1/2 a percent or something.

And while work boots, with reinforced toes, that WEIGH heaps, and are as cosy on a 10K hike as house bricks, and look something Frankenstein wears, kind of don't quite cut it either.....

We are talking about regular shoes, runners, hiking shoes / boots, cycling shoes, etc...

Stuff you can wear in the general travers, not the muddy work site or steel fabrication factory / work shops etc.

So the shortage of LARGE SHOES by the fucking idiot retailers in Australia is an issue.

To show you what dumb cunts these idiots are, the staff in a particular chain store, said, "We can always sell MORE shoes in larger sizes, because people are only getting bigger, but they (fuckwits in head office) don't supply them to us, so that we can supply them to all the people who COME IN to our store(s) asking for them."

So I contacted the head office about this dillema (of their own creation) and a some time later, I contact the same store, and they tell me that the head office has completely cut off the supplying of shoes above size 11.

OK now to pull a shoe size out of thin air, and the complications by the fucking idiot international marketing / standards committees.

In Australia - I think there is or was an Australian size, which I assume was a derivative of the UK (United Kingdom = England) sizing.

And now on the international market is the UK sizes, the European Union sizes, and the US and A sizes - or the UK, EU and US sizes respectively.

ONE of the things I actually really fucking HATE is arbitary standards, that bear NO clear correlation to real world events.

I want to see shoes measured in CENTIMETERS - with a simple LENGTH of foot, and WIDTH of foot - at the widest part - across the toe joints inside the foot.

This means you get a SINGLE size - 30cm long x 16cm wide...

That is nice and simple.

Everyone understands what it is, and if I want shoes in 30cm long - but I have wider feet, I can try 30cm long x 18cm wide....

It's a fucking simple thing.

Shit - you can measure up your own feet, with a ruler and a block of wood and a wall... "Ooooo it's 30cm from the wall to the block of wood where the end of my toes were... Hmmmm add on say 2cm for a bit of toe room, and it's 15cm wide, so an extra CM wide... OK I want some 32cm long by 16cm wide shoes... that is an excellent starting point."

OK now to pull a size out of thin air.

MENS - Size 13, in extra wide - like 13 EEE or even EEEE....

Well the E, or the EE, or the EEE standard is no longer used - it's been replaced by 12, 12 and a 1/2, 13, 13 and a 1/2, then 14 etc..

But then there is the MENS and WOMENS shoe sizes....

So a MENS size 12, is different from a womens size 12, and then there are the children's sizes....

Why? - you idiot fucks.

Then there is the INTERNATIONAL sizing.....

This is a horrible topic.... Seriously.

The full-ish spectrum of standards and countries that use them, which also have a heap of guessing game conversion tables.

http://www.shoesizingcharts.com/

US: 13 EU: 46 UK: 12.5

http://www.internationalshoesizes.com/

Slightly edited:

Mens shoe sizes are generally based around a fixed measurement system, some of which have their origins in the middle ages, ladies shoe sizes on the other hand are mostly based on the mens shoe size in the same country.

For UK, European, Japanese and Mondopoint ladies shoe sizes are measured on the same scale as mens shoe sizes.

European shoe sizes are widely used across Europe including Western European Countries (France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland), Eastern European Countries (Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Austria, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Russia) and Turkey.

Korea uses the Mondopoint system.

Australian mens shoe sizes are the same as UK shoe sizes, they have been given a seperate line in the conversion table because Australian womens shoe sizes are different.

Ski boots and ice skates are most often found in mondopoint sizes, although some european manufacturers still use european sizes.

Designer fashion shoes, such as Gina, Jimmy Choo, Christian Louboutin and Gucci, are mainly French and Italian and use european sizing.

Shoe sizes also vary from manufacturer to manufacturer due to methods of production, stitching and age of machinery.

More information - Charts of Boys and Girls Shoe Sizes - Shoe Widths

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So we have whole shitfest of fucking stupid ideas about SHOE SIZES, instead of a simple X long by Y wide system.

What does size 42 mean?

If I want to buy some timber - it comes in width, thickness and length. EVERYONE understands this idea.

It's all in METRIC, it's 200mm wide, 20mm thick, and it comes in 3000mm lengths, or 20cm by 2cm by 3m.

But what? I want to buy a piece of wood in size 42? Fucking WHAT?

What the fuck is that?

If it's one thing that pisses me off more than anything else is the use of abstract terms, instead of SIMPLE measurements.

Different systems used in different countries, different sizing methods, where all these dumb cunts list everything except the ACTUAL SIZE.

And why does ONE manufacture, sell shoes in size 13, and yet they mark them as either EU 42 or EU 46?

How come size 13 is not just 13 - and the 13 isn't 42 - as is.

These fucking retarded cunts - with their bullshit sizing systems, and the idiot retailers in Australia who ONLY stock mens shoes up to size 11.....

Target, Big W, K-Mart, Rivers etc., etc., etc., and all the other retailer chains....

They ALL fucking do it.

And the cunts in China - who make a size 13, but it's size 15 long, and it's size 12 wide......

What the fuck is up with that?

It's time ALL of you fucking retards, started to use MY simple length by width system, in metric - because 95% of the world uses metric, and only 5% - the USA, is till officially imperial - or their retarded 1768 version of it.

Drop all the mens, womens, childrens, youths, sizings. Drop all the idiot country of origin / obscure origins and formulations and all the fucking crap - and just make shoes in X cm long by Y cm wide.

For fucks sake.

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Well I have an education - nothing like a full on fight to squeeze out a few good points.

The MONDOPOINT system is pretty much on the ball.

There may be better / technically accurate images around - but this seems to be the right approach.

I just wish that ALL of these FUCKING IDIOTS, would ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME, use a SIMPLE standardised SHOE SIZING SYSTEM...

Internationally - it really is as easy as simply measuring up their internal dimensions, and then printing up the NEXT batch of size labels, in the simple X cm long by Y cm wide system, and when the OLD sizing labels run out, use the new ones....

A simple industry wide agreement....

I have a compilation of international standards - or more precisely, a range of standard measurements, used by location, time, guilds, industry, process etc.,, that have been used around the world, dating back to the stone age.

My compilation covers almost every fucking measuring system ever used by anyone for anything....

Threads, wire diameters, lengths, weights, volumes..... the regional variations, one country uses one version and other countries use other versions...

For instance (off the top of my head here) - I think the UK gallon is 4.5 Litres, the US gallon is 3.75 Litres, and then there is a shitload of other variations and combinations, and historical standards - so if you want to be technically accurate in a historical / archival etc., there is I think some 20 other variants to the "value" of gallon used and or in use etc., over the centuries.

The same applies to the measurement of "foot" (distance) and "mile"...

It's a fucking nightmare.....

And people who just refused to use anything other than their own bullshit "quaint" standards, instead of a universal metric standard, should be just punched in the face for being fucking idiots...

The fucking idiot shoe makers, and their IDIOT "We have always done it this way" bullshit.

As an example of the shoe sizing systems.....

This is fucking horrible..

I read all the idiot systems, in place and I want to scream at these fucking IDIOT manufacturers and their retarded fuckhole governments - "WHY???? - ARE YOU NOT USING SOMETHING SIMPLE - in centimeters, in length by width, and why is everyone in your fucking country not using the same fucking system?".

Some start counting at 0, others start counting at 1, mens and womens sizes use two different measuring systems, many values are based upon grain (of corn etc) sizes... which was fine in 1100 AD...

And different manufacturers use their own FUCKING arbitrary shoe sizes....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_size

Shoe size

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A shoe size is an alphanumerical indication of the fitting size of a shoe for a person. Often it just consists of a number indicating the length because many shoemakers only provide a standard width for economic reasons. There are several different shoe-size systems that are used worldwide. These systems differ in what they measure, what unit of measurement they use, and where the size 0 (or 1) is positioned. Only a few systems also take the width of the feet into account. Some regions use different shoe-size systems for different types of shoes (e.g., men's, women's, children's, sport, or safety shoes).

Deriving the shoe size

Foot versus shoe and last

The length of a foot is commonly defined as the distance between two parallel lines that are perpendicular to the foot and in contact with the most prominent toe and the most prominent part of the heel. Foot length is measured with the subject standing barefoot and the weight of the body equally distributed on both feet.

The sizes of the left and right feet are often slightly different. In this case, both feet are measured, and purchasers of mass-produced shoes are advised to purchase a shoe size based upon the larger foot because, contrary to the reality of foot sizes, most manufacturers do not sell pairs of shoes in non-matching sizes. Each size of shoe is considered suitable for a small interval of foot lengths. The inner cavity of a shoe must typically be 15–20 mm longer than the foot, but this relation varies between different types of shoes.

There are three characteristic lengths that a shoe-size system can refer to:

The median length of feet for which a shoe is suitable. For customers, this measure has the advantage of being directly related to their body measures. It applies equally to any type, form, or material of shoe. However, this measure is less popular with manufacturers,^{[citation needed]} because it requires them to test carefully for each new shoe model, for which range of foot sizes it is recommendable. It puts on the manufacturer the burden of ensuring that the shoe will fit a foot of a given length.
The length of the inner cavity of the shoe. This measure has the advantage that it can be measured easily on the finished product. However, it will vary with manufacturing tolerances and provides the customer only very crude information about the range of foot sizes for which the shoe is suitable.
The length of the "last", the foot-shaped template over which the shoe is manufactured. This measure is the easiest one for the manufacturer to use, because it identifies only the tool used to produce the shoe. It makes no promise about manufacturing tolerances or for what size of foot the shoe is actually suitable. It leaves all responsibility and risk of choosing the correct size with the customer. Further, the last can be measured in several different ways resulting in different measurements.^[1]

All these measures differ substantially from one another for the same shoe.

Length

Sizing systems also differ in what units of measurement they use. This also results in different increments between shoe sizes because usually, only "full" or "half" sizes are made.

The following length units are commonly used today to define shoe-size systems:

The Paris point equates to ²⁄₃ centimetre (6.6 mm or ~0.26 in). This means an increment of ²⁄₃ centimetre (¹⁄₄ inch) between whole sizes, and ¹⁄₃ centimetre (¹⁄₈ inch) between half sizes. This unit is commonly used in Continental Europe.
The barleycorn is an old English unit that equates to ¹⁄₃ inch (8.46 mm). Half sizes are commonly made, resulting in an increment of ¹⁄₆ inch (4.23 mm). This measure is the basis for current U.K. and U.S. shoe sizes, with the largest shoe size taken as twelve inches (a size 12) and then counting backwards in barleycorn units.
Further, metric measurements in centimetres (cm) or millimetres (mm) are used. The increment is usually 0.5 cm (5 mm or ~0.20 in), which is between the step size of the Parisian and the English system. It is used with the international Mondopoint system and with the Asian system.

Due to the different units of measurements, converting between different sizing systems results in rounding errors as well as unusual sizes such as "10 ²⁄₃".

Zero point

The sizing systems also place size 0 (or 1) at different locations:

If size 0 is placed at a foot's length of 0, the shoe size is directly proportional to the length of the foot in the chosen unit of measurement. Sizes of children's, men's, and women's shoes, as well as sizes of different types of shoes, can be compared directly. This is used with the Mondopoint and the Asian system.
However, size 0 can also represent a length of the shoe's inner cavity of 0. The shoe size is then directly proportional to the inner length of the shoe. This is used with systems that also take the measurement from the shoe. While sizes of children's, men's and women's shoes can be compared directly, this is not necessarily true for different types of shoes that require a different amount of "wiggle room". This is used with the Continental European system.
Further, size 0 (or 1) can just be a shoe with a given length, typically the shortest length deemed practical. This can be different for children's, teenagers', men's, and women's shoes, making it impossible to compare sizes. For example, a women's shoe at size 8 is a different length from a men's shoe at size 8 in the US system, but not the British.

Width

Some systems also include the width of a foot. There are different methods indicating the width:

The measured width is indicated in millimetres (mm). This is done with the Mondopoint system.
The measured width is assigned a letter (or combination of letters), which is taken from a table (indexed to length and width) or just assigned on an ad-hoc basis: Examples include (each starting with the narrowest width):
- A, B, C, D, E, EE, EEE, EEEE, F, G (typical North American system; medium being D)
- 4A, 3A, 2A, A, B, C, D, E, 2E, 3E, 4E, 5E, 6E (variant North American)
- C, D, E, F, G, H (common UK; "medium" is usually F, but varies by manufacturer—makers Edward Green and Crockett & Jones, among others, use E instead, but one maker's E is not necessarily the same size as another's).
- N (narrow), M (medium) or R (regular), W (wide)

The width for which these sizes are suitable can vary significantly between manufacturers. The A-E width indicators used by most American, Canadian, and some British shoe manufacturers are typically based on the width of the foot, and common step sizes are ³⁄₁₆ inch.

Common sizing systems

Mondopoint

The International Standard is ISO 9407:1991, "Shoe sizes—Mondopoint system of sizing and marking",^[2] which recommends a shoe-size system known as Mondopoint.

It is based on the mean foot length and width for which the shoe is suitable, measured in millimetres. A shoe size of 280/110 indicates a mean foot length of 280 millimetres (11 in) and width of 110 millimetres (4.3 in).

Because Mondopoint also takes the foot width into account, it allows for better fitting than most other systems. It is, therefore, used by NATO and other military services. Mondopoint is also used for ski boots.

European standard EN 13402, used also for clothes, recommends instead that shoes be labelled with the interval of foot lengths for which they are suitable, measured in centimetres.

United Kingdom and Ireland

Shoe size in the United Kingdom and Ireland is based on the length of the last used to make the shoes, measured in barleycorn (¹⁄₃ inch) starting from the smallest size deemed practical, which is called size zero. It is not formally standardised. Note that the last is typically longer than the foot heel to toe length by about 1/2 to ⅔ inch (13 to 17 mm).

A child's size zero is equivalent to 4 inches (a hand = 12 barleycorns = 10.16 cm), and the sizes go up to size 13 ¹⁄₂ (8 ¹⁄₂½ in, 25 ¹⁄₂ barleycorns or 21.59 cm). Thus, the calculation for a children’s shoe size in the UK is:

\mbox{child shoe size} = (3\times\mbox{last length in inches})-12

equivalent to

\mbox{child shoe size} \approx (3\times\mbox{heel to toe length in inches})-10

An adult size one is then the next size up (8 ²⁄₃ in or 22.01 cm) and each size up continues the progression in barleycorns.^[3] The calculation for an adult shoe size in the UK is thus:

\mbox{adult shoe size} = (3\times\mbox{last length in inches})-25

equivalent to

\mbox{adult shoe size} \approx (3\times\mbox{heel to toe length in inches})-23

Note: some manufacturers choose to use a constant other than 25, so sizes do vary in either direction e.g. A shoe marked as a European size 40 may also be marked as a UK: 6 by Jimmy Choo, Nike; a 6 ¹⁄₂ by Adidas, Clarks, Dr Martens, Fred Perry, Karrimor, Monsoon, New Balance, Reebok, and Slazenger; a 7 by Converse, Gap, Pavers, and Timberland; and a 7 ¹⁄₂ by Crocs.

Australia / New Zealand

For men and children's footwear the UK system is followed. Women's footwear has a slightly different sizing that is unique. It is in between the UK and US's sizings.^{[citation needed]}

United States and Canada

In North America, there are different systems that are used concurrently. The size indications are usually similar but not exactly equivalent especially with athletic shoes at extreme sizes.

Customary

The traditional system is similar to English sizes but start counting at one rather than zero, so equivalent sizes are one greater. This is similar to the way that floors in buildings are numbered; the British count the ground floor as zero, whereas the Americans count the ground floor as one.

So the calculation for a male shoe size in the USA or Canada is:

\mbox{male shoe size} = 3\times\mbox{last length in inches}-24

Women's sizes are almost always determined with the "common" scale, in which women's sizes are equal to men's sizes plus 1.5 (for example, a men's 10.5 is a women's 12). In other words:

\mbox{female shoe size (common)} = 3\times\mbox{last length in inches}-22\frac{1}{2}

In the less popular scale, known as the "standard" or "FIA" (Footwear Industries of America) scale, women's sizes are men's sizes plus 1 (so a men's 10.5 is a women's 11.5).

\mbox{female shoe size (FIA)} = 3\times\mbox{last length in inches}-23

Children's

Children's sizes are equal to men's sizes plus 12 ¹⁄₃. Children’s sizes do not differ by gender even though adults’ do.

\mbox{child shoe size} = 3\times\mbox{last length in inches}-11\frac{2}{3}

Children's shoe stores in the United States and Canada use a sizing scheme which ends at 13, after which the adult range starts at 1.

U.S. shoe sizes
Size				Last length
Children's	Women's		Men's	Inches	Millimetres (appr.)
Children's	Common	FIA	Men's	Inches	Millimetres (appr.)
5				5⁵⁄₉	141
6				5⁸⁄₉	150
7				6²⁄₉	158
8				6⁵⁄₉	167
9				6⁸⁄₉	175
10				7²⁄₉	183
11				7⁵⁄₉	192
	1			7⁵⁄₆	199
12				7⁸⁄₉	200
		1		8	203
	2			8¹⁄₆	207
13				8²⁄₉	209
		2	1	8¹⁄₃	212
	3			8¹⁄₂	216
		3	2	8²⁄₃	220
	4			8⁵⁄₆	224
		4	3	9	229
	5			9¹⁄₆	233
		5	4	9¹⁄₃	237
	6			9¹⁄₂	241
		6	5	9²⁄₃	246
	7			9⁵⁄₆	250
		7	6	10	254
		8	7	10¹⁄₃	262

Brannock Device

Drawing of a Brannock Device (from U.S. Patent 1,725,334)

A slightly different sizing method is based on the Brannock Device, a measuring instrument invented by Charles F. Brannock in 1925 and now found in many shoe stores. The formula used by the Brannock device assumes a foot length ⅔ inch (1.7 cm) less than the length of the last; thus, men's size 1 is equivalent to a foot's length of 7 ⅔ inches.^[4] Women's sizes are one size up.

\mbox{male shoe size (Brannock)} = 3\times\mbox{foot length in inches}-22

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\mbox{female shoe size (Brannock)} = 3\times\mbox{foot length in inches}-21

^[5]

The method also measures the length of the distance of the heel and the widest point of the foot. For that purpose, the device has another, shorter scale at the side of the foot. If this scale indicates a larger size, it is taken in place of the foot's length.^[6]

For children's sizes, additional wiggle room is added to allow for growth.^[6]
The device also measures the width of the foot and assigns it designations of AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, E, EE, or EEE. The widths are 3/16 in apart and differ by shoe length.^[4]

Foot Scanner

Some shoe stores use optical devices to precisely measure the length and width of both feet and recommend the appropriate shoe model and size.^{[citation needed]}

Europe

The Continental European system is used in France, Germany,^[7] Italy, Spain,^[8] and most other continental European countries. It is also used in Middle Eastern countries (like Iran), Brazil—which uses the same method but subtracts 2 from the final result—and, commonly, Hong Kong.
In this system, the shoe size is the length of the last, expressed in Paris points, for both sexes and for adults and children alike. Because a Paris point is ⅔ of a centimetre, the formula is as follows:

\mathrm{shoe~size ~({Paris~points}) = {\frac{3}{2}}\times{last~length}\left({cm}\right)}

To compute the size based on actual foot length, one must first add a length of about 1.5 to 2 cm. For instance, for a shoe having an internal length 1.5 cm longer than the foot:

\mathrm{shoe~size ~({Paris~points})= {\frac{3}{2}}\times{{\left[~foot~length\left({cm}\right)+1.5~{cm}~\right]}}}

Asia

The Asian system is based on metric measurements and standardised as JIS S 5037:1998, CNS 4800, S 1093, or KS M 6681. Foot length and girth are taken into account.^[9]

The foot length is indicated in centimetres; an increment of 5 mm is used. This system was also used in the GDR.

The length is followed by designators for girth (A, B, C, D, E, EE, EEE, EEEE, F, G), which is taken from a table indexed to girth and length. There are different tables for men's, women's, and children's (less than 12 years of age) shoes. The tables also include the width as supplemental indications. Not all designators are used for all genders and in all countries. For example, the largest girth for women in China is EEEE, whereas in Japan, it is F.

Mexico

Shoes are sized either according to the foot length they are intended to fit, in cm, or alternatively to another variation of the barleycorn system, with sizes calculated approximately as:

\mbox{adult shoe size} = 3\times\mbox{last length in inches}-25.5

USSR (Russia / CIS)

Historically the USSR used the European (Paris point) system but an alternate metric system (State Standard 3927–64) was devised, with shoe sizes increasing in ½ rather than the ⅔ cm intervals found in the European scheme. This system has been refined by later standards:

GOST 9133-1978 Determination of linear dimensions of footwear,
GOST 24382-1980 sneakers size,
GOST R 54592-2011 Footwear. Methods for determination of linear dimensions.

Where used this system is sometimes described as a Pointe (ballet shoe) or Stych size:

(This last bit was not included due to the table width, so look it up on Wikipedia)

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